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Wine Notes's avatar

What an incredibly informative and helpful guide to understanding the nuances of stem inclusion. You are so right- this topic is referenced often and casually in tasting circles- and I haven't always understood what exactly we mean when we throw "possible stem inclusion" into our tasting notes. This is all super helpful. Thank you for taking the time to write this and share it. My biggest takeaways are the difference between stem inclusion and whole cluster fermentation (the latter of which I hadn't realized was directly related to semicarbonic maceration), the fact that broken and/or dried stems impart different notes, and that stem inclusion can increase pH by raising potassium (fascinating), and thus lowering acid (and increasing the need for more SO2!). I thoroughly enjoyed this read. Thank you!!

David Mastro Scheidt's avatar

A great topic to cover and thanks for not including too much chemistry or any mysticism around stem inclusion. I can handle the chem, not mysticism.

Full disclosure, I don't include stems in my winemaking, never have. I can also confirm that I have had wines where all I do is smell the wine and know, without any doubt, the wine had stems included in the ferment, and told that it was "only 20%".

That "only 20%" is a line I've heard from a few winemakers over the years. Is it really 50%? Is the 20% threshold where the cool winemakers are? I have no idea. I can't ever recall, other than in a carbonic situation on our crushpad, ever seeing a winemaker do a stem inclusion. So I don't know what a 10 vs 20 vs 50 vs 100% stem inclusion/whole cluster wine tastes like during fermentation and press-out and then aging. What varietals were used? At what pH/brix was harvest? Lots of factors to manage the inclusion/whole cluster. Are they ambient/native ferments or inoculated? The process and documentation over time here is key. You ain't nailing the wine on the first try or the third.

All that said, I've had absolutely lovely wines, generally Pinot Noir and Syrah that I was told have stem inclusion that I couldn't tell either by tasting or smelling. I don't make specific notes each time, so the names are forgotten by me, but I know I've had them.

I'm for stem inclusion if I cannot taste it. And by taste it, I mean green, like I'm chewing on tomato stems or green smelling like a closed bucket of stems was left out in the sun and I'm the poor guy that opens the bucket.

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